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Armed Forces Skeet Association

General Membership Meeting Minutes

National Shooting Complex, San Antonio, TX

Tuesday, May 11, 2010

Meeting convened at 1956 hours, Tuesday May 11, 2010 by President Scott Rose.

President called the meeting to order and welcomed everyone to this year’s event.  Passed information about this year’s attendance at the shoot being the largest ever at 195 shooters.

Reading of minutes of 2009 General Membership Meeting waived.  Mike Malone moved to approve 2009 minutes as written and previously posted, 2nd Grant Morrison.  Motion carried.

Officers Reports

Secretary Clint Kreuser.  Nothing new to report.

Vice-President Bradley Felton.  Made comments regarding shoot-offs.  Specifically, about them taking a little longer to determine and hold due to the number of places that need to be determined.  Promised that it would get faster in the future.   

Treasurer Pat Knutson.  Reported that the approximate dollar amount of assets the association has is around $63,000.  He reported that the bond matures in 2012 but didn’t recommend renewing it if the interest rates at that time are anything close to what they are now.  Reported on the cost of silver and minting costs to the association for each coin.  Reported that the association does have a small excess of funds that can be monitored and lowered over a five-year period through attrition.  The attrition could be in the form of lower entry fees but most likely will be absorbed through the purchase of silver since we used our current inventory for this shoot. 

Old Business

The proposal to change the format of the shoot starting with the 2011 shoot was tabled until this year.  An explanation was made by the President of the proposal to change to 12, 20, 28, 410, doubles and decrease the number of 12 gauge targets shot to 100.  Reason given for the suggestion was that it would make the shoot fairer since everyone would shoot the same event on one given day as opposed to the way we shoot doubles now.  Short discussion ensued with most members voicing the opinion that they liked it the way it is currently.  Jim Tiner made a motion to keep the format currently in use with Andy Ulsher seconding the motion.  A vote was called for and the motion carried with 3 opposed.

New Business

Motion was made by Pat Knutson to adopt the amendment as posted.  This amendment clarifies the categories of shooters that are allowed to participate in the ASSC by adding the Coast Guard, Commissioned Corps of the Public Health Service and NOAA.  Seconded by Jim Tiner.  The motion passed.

Jim Tiner made a motion to change the doubles schedule to be more fair to the shooters so no one would have to shoot 200 targets in the same afternoon.  He was asked to remove the motion with the assurance of the Treasurer that it would be taken care of.  Motion was withdrawn.

Site briefing was given for Richmond Gun Club.

Mark Haughs opened the discussion by requesting that a bid be accepted from the Fairfax, Va. Club.  He gave a brief bid summary including the pros of going to Fairfax over Richmond next year.  Jim Tiner argued the point of the associations procedures being followed with Joe Pierce talking about the need to keep the April 1st due date for bids in effect.  The Secretary explained that the bid applications are sent out during the first week of December to every club in the zone with seven or more fields.  They have to return their bid by 1 April by mail, fax, or e-mail.  It was explained that only one club returned a bid and it was before the deadline.  Pat Knutson argued to keep the association rules concerning bid applications in place and abide by them.  Mark Haughs argued that a precedent was set in 2002 when the association solicited a second bid when only one bid was submitted that year.  It was explained that the second bid was solicited only after the membership rejected the one bid submitted and in this case the membership hadn’t rejected the Richmond bid.  Mark Haughs made a motion to accept the Fairfax bid and was seconded by Larry Krutzinger.  A voice vote was called for and was too close to determine so a show of hands was called for.  The result was 26 in favor of accepting the bid and 49 opposed.  The motion failed. 

Shawn Pyle made a motion to discuss the current zones for bid submissions and eliminate them in favor of asking for bids from every eligible club and Grant Morrison seconded the motion.  Joe Pierce and Pat Knutson explained the history of the zones and why we have them.  Specifically because the membership at an east coast club shoot would tend to vote for an east coast club to host the shoot the following year as would a west coast club.  So it would naturally fall to the same zone year after year.  The current system forces the shoot to be held at a different club in a different zone which is fairer to the members.  Dave Latimer asked the Treasurer to explain the difference in attendance numbers between the east and west coast.  Pat explained that the number would be a little skewed due to the active duty shooters being deployed at different times but that east coast and some of the more centrally located clubs of the west zone have about the same attendance and that the west coast shoots are lower and the association loses money of those shoots.  A vote was called for and the motion failed.

Mark Haughs made a motion to reject the Richmond bid and was seconded by Jim Tiner.  A vote was called for and the motion failed.

Don Root opened discussion on having the associations fiscal records audited every 2 years.  Discussion ranged from the cost of an outside audit being approximately $2500.00.  Jim Tiner suggested a committee be appointed to do it and Mark Alden explained that the directors and officers should audit the books before accepting their positions.  Joe Pierce explained that 3 financial forms are sent to all the directors once a year.  Don Root made a motion to have the association’s financial records audited by an outside or inside body every 2 years.  Grant Morrison seconded the motion.  A voice vote was called for and was too close to determine so a show of hands was called for.  The result was 21 in favor and 44 opposed.  The motion failed.

There being no further business, Dave Wood made a motion to adjourn the meeting which was seconded by Dick Wienly.  A vote was called for and passed with all in favor. 

The General Membership Meeting adjourned at 2049 hours.

CLINT F. KREUSER  

Secretary