Armed Forces Skeet Association, Inc.
Director’s Meeting Minutes
Jacksonville Clay Target Sports Center
Jacksonville, Florida  32226


Directors Meeting convened at 6:34P.M., Wednesday May 17, 2017 by President Chris Naler.


ROLL CALL:
Officers Present:
President – Chris Naler
Treasurer – Andy Ulsher
Secretary – Darron M Todd

Officer not Present:
Vice President – John Daubenschmidt

Directors Present:

David Guida (Proxy for Matt Hamilton) - USA
Michael Giese (Proxy for Charles Thompson) - USAF
Katie Fichtner- USA                                              Andrew Winders- USAF
Dave Wood – USA Ret.                                         Jerry Wasson- USAF Ret.
Sam Armstrong – USA Vet.                                   Billy D. Williams- USAF Vet.
Brandon Rys – USMC                                           Brian E. Hill- USCG 
Ron Hostinsky- USMC Ret.                                   Russ Stevens- USMC Ret.
William Barnett- USMC Vet.
John Snyder – USN
Michael Lee - USN (Proxy)
Donald Root- USN Ret.
Dave Allen- USN Vet.
Directors Emeritus: Joseph Pierce and Cotton Talbot
Guest: Don Kelly

Reading of minutes of 2016 Director’s Meeting waived.  John Snyder moved to approve 2016 minutes as written and previously posted, seconded by Michael Giese.  Motion passed
Officers Reports
President – Chris Naler commented on discussions about AFSA directors.  Further comment on inclusion of spouses and dependents of service members and how the Association should be inclusive to all qualified shooters.
Vice-President – John Daubenschmidt.  No report
Treasurer – Andy Ulsher.  Reviewed main points of Treasurer’s Report previously provided to Directors and members at the General Membership meeting.  The directors present waived reading of the Treasurer's Report.  Treasurer discussed in further detail the potential fundraiser of a Kolar Arms shotgun to be raffled.
Secretary – Darron M. Todd.  No report.
Old Business
There was no old business to discuss.
New Business

1. Votes for 2018 ASSC:

US Army:

  1. David Guida : Blue Rock Trap and Skeet, N. Little Rock Arkansas
  2. Katie Fichtner: Blue Rock Trap and Skeet, N. Little Rock Arkansas
  3. Dave Wood: Blue Rock Trap and Skeet, N. Little Rock Arkansas
  4. Sam Armstrong: Blue Rock Trap and Skeet, N. Little Rock Arkansas

US Marine Corps:

  1. Brandon Rys:  Tucson Trap and Skeet Club, Tucson Arizona
  2. Ron Hostinsky:  Tucson Trap and Skeet Club, Tucson Arizona
  3. Russ Stevens:  Tucson Trap and Skeet Club , Tucson Arizona
  4. William Barnett:  Tucson Trap and Skeet Club, Tucson Arizona

US Navy:

  1. John Snyder: Tucson Trap and Skeet Club , Tucson Arizona
  2. Michael Lee:  Tucson Trap and Skeet Club, Tucson Arizona
  3. Don Root:  Tucson Trap and Skeet Club , Tucson Arizona
  4. Dave Allen:  Tucson Trap and Skeet Club, Tucson Arizona

US Air Force:

  1. Michael Geise: Blue Rock Trap and Skeet
  2. Andrew Winders: Blue Rock Trap and Skeet
  3. Jerry Wasson: Blue Rock Trap and Skeet
  4. Billy D. Williams: Blue Rock Trap and Skeet

US Coast Guard:

  1. Brian Hill:  Tucson Trap and Skeet Club

AFSA Officers:

  1. Chris Naler, President: Abstain
  2. John Daubenschmidt, Vice President: No vote
  3. Andy Ulsher, Treasurer: Blue Rock Trap and Skeet
  4. Darron Todd, Secretary: Tucson Trap and Skeet

Vote Tally: (10) Votes Tucson Trap and Skeet; (9) Votes Blue Rock Trap and Skeet
Vote Carries: Tucson Trap and Skeet Club will host the 2018 ASSC.
2. Kolar Arms Shotgun Raffle
a. Treasurer discussed the raffle of a Kolar Arms Prestige grade shotgun, and two other lesser cost firearms for second and third place, as a means of a fundraiser.  After discussions concerning the financial burden to AFSA and the winners, Ron Hostinsky motioned that AFSA purchase the Kolar Arms shotgun absorb any related federal taxes so the winner does not have to pay the taxes, and the Association sells a total of 500 tickets for the raffle.  Motion seconded by Mike Lee; motion passed.
b. John Snyder motioned to amend the previous motion and include the purchase of two (2) additional firearms of lesser value for the raffle, and these prizes be awarded to second and third place winners.  AFSA will absorb the purchase price and taxes of these prizes.  Motion seconded by Andrew Winders; motion passed.
c. President makes third amendment to the original motion stating: tickets will be sold until the 2018 ASSC and the winner will be drawn at the 2018 AFSA Hall of Fame banquet.  Motion seconded by Brandon Rys; motion passed.
- Final question asked by Ron Hostinsky about when tickets can be expected; Treasurer states tickets will be available in approximately one month.
3.   Bid submission from clubs with eight (8) or more fields
Mike Lee motioned that AFSA solicit bids from clubs that have eight or more fields. The Secretary states that this decision was already made when bids were solicited from clubs to host the 2017 ASSC. Based on the last three year’s attendance data, this will continue to be the rationale used.
4. Appointment of AFSA Marketing Committee
David Guida motioned that AFSA appoint a Marketing Committee to promote the ASSC and garner additional bids for future ASSC and the ASSC raffle. After a brief discussion, the President appointed Katie Fichtner as the marketing committee person.  Katie accepted the position.
5.  Changing the host date of future ASSC
Dave Wood motioned that the Board of Directors explore changing the dates of future ASSCs. Motion was tabled and will be discussed over the course of 2017/2018.

6.  Administrative Support during execution of ASSC
a. Contracted administrative support has been used in the conduct of the ASSC since the 2014 ASSC. The initial contract was paid for through an anonymous donation to AFSA, and the Board of Directors was not notified, or asked to approve, continued use of contracted admin support for future ASSCs.
b. After briefing of the efficiency contracted administrative support brings to AFSA, Jerry Wasson motioned that AFSA continues to use contracted admin support; seconded Ron Hostinsky. Motion passed.
Dave Wood motioned to close the meeting; motion seconded by Mike Lee. Motion passed.
There being no further business to discuss, Mike Giese moved that the meeting be adjourned.  seconded by Mike Lee.  The vote was unanimous.  Meeting adjourned at 8:30P.M.

Darron M. Todd
Secretary

 

 

Armed Forces Skeet Association
Director’s Meeting Minutes
Tennessee Clay Target Center
Nashville, Tennessee
Directors Meeting convened at 1834 hours, Wednesday May 11, 2016 by President Chris Naler.
ROLL CALL:
Officers Present:
President – Chris Naler
Treasurer – Andy Ulsher
Secretary – Darron M Todd

Officer not Present:
Vice President – John Daubenschmidt

Directors Present:

Matt Hamilton- USA                                   Charles Thompson- USAF
David Guida- USA                                      Bill Wilson- USAF Ret.
Dave Wood – USA Ret.                             Jerry Wasson- USAF Ret.
Sam Armstrong – USA Vet.                        Billy D. Williams- USAF Vet.             
Scott Danjou – USMC                                John Swidrak- USCG Ret.  
Matt Esposito- USMC                                 Jim Simmons- USCG Ret.
Ron Hostinsky – USMC Ret.                       Rick Andrews- USCG Vet.
Russ Stevens- USMC Ret.                          Director Emeritus- Pat Knutson
William Barnett- USMC Vet.                       John Snyder - USN         
Brain D’Souza- USN (Proxy) Michael Lee - USN               

Guest:  Steve Johnstone                                                   
            

Reading of minutes of 2015 Director’s Meeting waived.  Mike Lee moved to approve 2015 minutes as written and previously posted, 2nd Russ Stevens.  Motion carried.
Officers Reports
President – Chris Naler commented further on discussions about AFSA elections to NSSA. Further comment on the number of potential voting members in AFSA and the power their votes can wield.
Vice-President – John Daubenschmidt.  No report
Treasurer – Andy Ulsher.  Reviewed main points of Treasurer’s Report previously provided to Directors and Members.  Discussed the establishment and purchase of copper coins to be awarded for the ML concurrent. This topic was asked to be voted upon. John Snyder made the motion to approve and award the copper coin for 2017 ASSC. 2nd Charles Thompson; motion carried.
Secretary – Darron M. Todd.  Confirmed with directors that the use of iron-man referees was working well and providing seamless transition for the competitors. Posed question to the Directors of continued use of iron-man referees. All Directors approved of the continued use of iron man referees, not to exceed five. Dave Guida asked that the Active Army Team be allotted referee spots at the 2017 ASSC.
Old Business
There was no old business to discuss.
New Business
Scott Danjou made the motion that AFSA begin accepting payment for registration fees by credit card; 2nd by Charles Thompson. After discussion between Directors, Treasurer and Pat Knutson, it was agreed that the Treasurer be allowed to research cost, maintenance and fees associated with use of credit card payment methods for gun friendly industries. All directors agreed to give the Treasurer three months to research a credit card payment system.
John Snyder made the motion that paying for the ML, MV, RM concurrent be eliminated. After discussion by directors, this topic was agreed to be tabled until President and Billy D. Williams addressed this topic at the NSSA EC meeting in June.
Motion was made by Chris Naler to accept the current revisions to the edits of the AFSA By-Laws as it pertains to the ML and MV concurrent:
Currently Article IV reads:
Section 2- “The Board Of Directors (BOD) will consist of the elected officers, Past President, and four directors; one of which will be a ML and MV from each service.” “One of the three service Retired Military or Military Directors from each of the services may also be the elected Service Director, on the board of the National Skeet Shooting Association.” “The NSSA service director may be Active or Retired military, each NSSA director shall hold office until his/her successor is duly elected. When a vacancy occurs on the BOD, another member from the same branch of service will be appointed by the BOD to fill the vacancy in accordance with NSSA by-laws until the next annual ballot of the membership, at which time a successor will be elected to fill the unexpired term.”
This motion was approved unanimously. Motion carried.
President Chris Naler provided the NSSA data for ML, RM and MV voting members currently on the roles: The data is provided below:

 

VOTING MEMBERS

 

 

BRANCH

STATUS

MEMBERS

TOTAL

USA

ACTIVE

97

 

USAF

ACTIVE

78

 

USCG

ACTIVE

3

 

USMC

ACTIVE

26

 

USN

ACTIVE

31

235

USA

RETIRED

274

 

USAF

RETIRED

322

 

USCG

RETIRED

18

 

USMC

RETIRED

69

 

USN

RETIRED

153

836

USA

VETERAN

129

 

USAF

VETERAN

63

 

USCG

VETERAN

6

 

USMC

VETERAN

25

 

USN

VETERAN

64

287

Dave Wood recommended that any AFSA director that receives their ballot from NSSA inform the secretary as soon as possible, and that the secretary inform the membership by email.
No further discussion was needed beyond what was presented at the General Membership meeting concerning clubs bidding to host the 2017 Armed Services Skeet Championships (ASSC).  Vote was taken on where to go in 2017 and results are shown:
Nation Shooting Complex, San Antonio TX:  Zero (0) in favor.
Conservation Park of Virginia: Two (2) in favor (Dave Guida, Matt Hamilton)
Dupont Game and Fish Club, Millington MD:  Four (4) in favor (Sam Armstrong, Billy Williams, John Swidrak and Darron Todd)
Jacksonville Skeet and Trap Club, Jacksonville FL:  Fourteen (14) in favor of JSTC (Jim Simmons, Rick Andrews, Charles Thompson, Bill Wilson, Jerry Wasson, Dave Wood, Scott Danjou, Ron Hostinsky, Russ Stevens, William Barnett, Mike Lee, John Snyder, Brain D’Souza, Chris Naler)
Tucson Skeet and Trap Club, Tucson AZ: Zero (0) in favor.
There being no further business to discuss, Ron Hostinsky moved that the meeting be adjourned.  2nd by Steve Johnstone.  The vote was unanimous.  Meeting adjourned at 1930 hours. 

Darron M. Todd
Secretary

 

 

 

 

 

Armed Forces Skeet Association
Director’s Meeting Minutes
Conservation Park of Virginia, Richmond, Virginia
Wednesday, May 13, 2015
Directors Meeting convened at 1800 hours, Wednesday May 13, 2015 by President Chris Naler.
ROLL CALL:
Officers Present:
President – Chris Naler
Vice President – John Daubenschmidt
Treasurer – Andy Ulsher
Secretary – Joe Pierce
Secretary Elect – Darron Todd

Directors Present:

David Guida - Army (Proxy)                         John Swidrak – Coast Guard Ret.
Matt Hamilton – Army                                 Jim Simmons – Coast Guard Ret.
Dave Wood  – Army Ret.                              Rick Andrews - Coast Guard MV                 
Fred Tschantz  – Army MV                          Andrew Winders  – Air Force
Scott Danjous – Marines                               Jerry Wasson – Air Force Ret.
Russ Stevens – Marines Ret.                        Bill Wilson – Air Force Ret.
Ron Hostinsky – Marines Ret.                      Billy D. Williams – Air Force MV
William Barnett – Marines MV                    Cotton Talbott – Director Emeritus
Michael Lee – Navy                                     Pat Knutson – Director Emeritus
John Snyder - Navy                                     
Don Berry – Navy Ret.
Steve Johnstone – Navy Ret.             
Gary Steuerwald – Navy MV

Guests:  John Ulsher, Kevin Suitt, Jim Hill, Matt Esposito, and Michael Giese.
Formal reading of minutes of 2014 Director’s Meeting waived.  Brief summation from the 2014 Director’s Meeting minutes provided by the Secretary as there were numerous new Directors who were not in attendance at the 2014 ASSC.  Steven Johnstone then moved to approve 2014 minutes as written and previously posted, 2nd Michael Lee. Motion carried.
Officers Reports
President – Chris Naler discussed how our vote on restructuring would impact future NSSA Executive Committee actions.  He thanked Jim Tiner, Dave Wood, Cotton Talbott and Joe Pierce for their help in getting changes formalized and acted upon.  The actions of AFSA will continue to keep us being an active component of NSSA.  He also told all active duty members that in 2014 on 8 ballots were returned to NSSA for the NSSA Military Director positions.  He encouraged all those members to make sure they submit any ballots sent to them in the future.  Chris later explained how the MV status for shooters were reviewed at NSSA by Mary Mausch and Stephanie Hagga, and what his and AFSA’s role in helping them continues to be. 
Vice-President – John Daubenschmidt.  Nothing new to report.
Treasurer – Andy Ulsher.  Reviewed main points of Treasurer’s Report at the General Membership meeting.  Same had been previously provided to Officers and Directors.  Otherwise, nothing new to report.  Motion by Dave Wood to approve 2015 Treasurer’s Reports, 2nd by John Daubenschmidt.  Motion Carried.
Secretary – Joe Pierce.  Confirmed with Directors that email system being used to provide information to Directors is generally working well, and safeguards being used are working.  Otherwise, nothing new to report.
Old Business
Lengthy discussion went on about various coin awards for Active Duty shooters in each event versus there only being awards of this nature in the HOA event.  A variety of good ideas and different options were discussed by Ron Hostinsky, Kevin Suitt, Scott Danjous, and others.  A motion was made by Ron Hostinsky that we adopt individual awards for the 5-Man Military Team Member winners, covering each event starting with the 2016 ASSC, initially at no cost to the individual shooter. 2nd by Michael Lee.  Motion Carried.  Options for these awards will be sent to the Treasurer to see how these awards can be purchased and whether it will be cost effective.  Scott Danjous, John Snyder, David Guida and Charles Thompson will be the Active Duty POCs for this project.
New Business
President Chris Naler welcomed all the new AFSA Directors whether they be Active Duty, Retired or Military Veterans.  This year’s elections brought in 12 new Directors. 
Joe Pierce brought up the need for club presenters to stick with the information provided in the bid matrix.  This matrix includes all of the information formally provided in the formal bids by the clubs.  Items not formally in the bids presented at a General Membership meeting is not only inaccurate but unethical as well.  He invited Directors, if they so desired, to review the hard copy bids to confirm the accuracy of information provided to the members in the bid matrix.
Votes were then made for the location of the 2016 Armed Services Skeet Championships. 
San Antonio – 0              Whitetail Ridge – 4                            Nashville Gun Club – 19
Nashville Gun Club will be hosting the 2016 Armed Services Skeet Championships from 9 to 13 May 2016.  The Pletcher Open will precede the ASSC and will run 6 to 8 May 2016.  The Volunteer Open will follow the ASSC and will run 13 to 15 May 2016.
Pat Knutson gave a short history of the Director Emeritus positions and who holds those positions (Cotton Talbott, Ed Hughes and Pat Knutson).  He let everyone know of the wealth of historical information held by these individuals and as he put it, they can talk, but can’t vote.  He then made a motion nominating outgoing Secretary Joe Pierce to be another Director Emeritus.  This was 2nd by Dave Wood.  The Motion Carried.
Fred Tschantz proposed the idea of having team competition with MV competitors along the lines of the 5 Man Military and Retired Military team events.  Much discussion followed and the main feeling by the group was these teams should be aligned by service to match what is being done now on the other teams.  This would mean an MV Army Team, Air Force Team, Navy Team, Marine Team, and Coast Guard team.  Although the specific numbers of MV participants by service was not available at this meeting, it was determine to start this competition with 3-Man Teams and then later expand to lager 4 or 5 man teams if the population of MV shooters increases, which is likely.  This is a program item and will be worked to start at the 2016 ASSC.
Jim Simmons mentioned that because of the shortage of Retired Coast Guard shooters, they seldom are able to field a team.  If we used an MV shooter to fill 1 slot on the first team of the Retired Team events, like we do when the Active Duty teams are short (the most current retiree can shoot as a member of the Active Duty team in these instances), it would increase participation.  The Directors had no negative issues with this.  Don Berry mentioned the need to stipulate in the ASSC program the criteria for how this would happen so the guidance would specifically say only when there is a true vacancy can an RM or MV shooter fill these positions.  If there are sufficient Active Duty, Retired or MV shooters at the shoot, they must be used in those position irregardless of experience.
Scott Danjous discussed the need for Active Duty shooters to be shooting shoulder to shoulder at this shoot.  Numerous members disagreed and felt there were times when more flexibility was needed to allow shooters to more fully enjoy the shoot especially when shooting with a family member versus being on a different field shooting with the AD Teams.  It will be looked at on a case by case basis.
There being no further business, Jim Simmons moved to adjourn the meeting.  2nd by the entire group.  Meeting adjourned at 1927 hours.

JOSEPH A. PIERCE
Secretary, AFSA

 

 

2014 Historical Directors Meeting Minutes

Armed Forces Skeet Association
Director’s Meeting Minutes
National Shooting Complex, San Antonio, Texas
Wednesday, May 14, 2014
Directors Meeting convened at 1745 hours, Wednesday May 14, 2014 by President Chris Naler.
ROLL CALL:
Officers Present:
President – Chris Naler
Vice President – John Daubenschmidt
Treasurer – Andy Ulsher
Secretary – Joe Pierce

Directors Present:

Mike Marano - USA (Proxy)                         Chris Austin – Coast Guard Ret. (Proxy)
Gary Hunter – USA Ret.                               Jim Simmons – Coast Guard Ret.
Chuck Black  – USA Ret.                             Charles Thompson – Air Force           
Kevin Suitt – Marines                                  James Schmehl – Air Force
Russ Stevens – Marines Ret.                        Jerry Wasson – Air Force Ret.
Don Berry - Navy                                         Al Means – Air Force Ret.                 
John Snyder – Navy                                      Cotton Talbott – Director Emeritus
Steve Johnstone – Navy Ret. (Proxy)            Ed Hughes – Director Emeritus
Jim Hill – Navy Ret.

Guests:  Don Root and Scott Danjou.
Reading of minutes of 2013 Director’s Meeting waived.  John Snyder moved to approve 2013 minutes as written and previously posted, 2nd John Daubenschmidt.  Motion carried.


Officers Reports
President – Chris Naler had nothing to add beyond comments made at General Membership Meeting on Tuesday. 
Vice-President – John Daubenschmidt.  Some new computer equipment has been purchased.  Otherwise, nothing new to report.
Treasurer – Andy Ulsher.  AFSA purchased new computer for operations use for $650. Older computers have quickly  become totally antiquated due to technology changes.  Reviewed main points of Treasurer’s Report previously provided to Directors and Members.  Otherwise, nothing new to report.
Secretary – Joe Pierce.  Confirmed with Directors that email system being used to provide information to Directors is generally working well, and safeguards being used are working.  Otherwise, nothing new to report.

Old Business
There was no old business to discuss.

New Business
Cotton Talbott and Ed Hughes made a motion that Pat Knutson now be included as a Director Emeritus.  2nd by Jim Simmons.  Following a short discussion the vote in favor of including Pat Knutson as our 4th ever Director Emeritus was unanimous.  Motion Carried.

Joe Pierce made a motion to raise our referee pay from the current $0.06 a target to $0.08 a target starting with the 2015 ASSC.  2nd by John Daubenschmidt.  Much discussion followed including updates on various states which pay refs (VA – 7 cents a target, NC – 8 cents a target and 8 cents a target plus per diem, TX – 10 cents a target plus per diem, some states paying full rate to refs even when the squads are short, etc.)  The biggest item of discussion is what AFSA can do to hire refs who are better qualified to work our shoot than unknown local hires.  Chief Ref will begin this by looking at verifying with responsible club and association representatives that possible AFSA ref hires for 2015 ASSC and beyond are certified NSSA refs with solid experience working local, state or regional shoots.  John Daubenschmidt and Joe Pierce pointed out the hope that this increase in pay would also draw more of our AFSA shooters to ref. Andy Ulsher our Treasurer pointed out this will increase the entry fees by $2.00 per 100 for each shooter.  Vote was 12 in favor and 6 opposed to the motion.  Motion Carried.

No further discussion was needed beyond what was presented at the General Membership meeting concerning clubs bidding to host the 2015 Armed Services Skeet Championships (ASSC).  Vote was taken on where to go in 2015 and results are shown:
- Nellis AFB Gun Club – 5 in favor of going there (Joe Pierce, Jim Simmons, Charles Thompson, James Schmehl and John Daubenschmidt).
- Jacksonville Gun Club – 0 in favor of going there.
- Conservation Park of Virginia – 13 in favor of going there (Jim Hill, Russ Stevens, Al Means, Steve Johnstone, Chris Austin, Jerry Wasson, Gary Hunter, Don Berry, Mike Marrano, Kevin Suitt, John Snyder, Andy Ulsher and Chris Naler).

Andy Ulsher asked members to come in and buy remaining shirts and hats. Gary Hunter asked if we, AFSA, was going to go deeper into classes for awarding All American (AA) points.  Chris Naler said based on out shoot difficulty factor being less than 35 that our current awarding of AA points to places 1 thru 6 is appropriate, although not all places may be shoot off.  Al Means followed this discussion with a motion that all tangible or intangible awards be shot off in the 2015 ASSC and beyond.  Much discussion followed including costs to AFSA if clubs aren’t paying for shoot-off targets, positive affect to B, C, D shooters of shooting off for awards, and general enjoyment of participating in a shoot off.  Voted was unanimously in favor of the motion.  Motion Carried.

Discussion conducted of grey areas about eligibility of individuals to attend and participate in the ASSC.  Bottom line is appropriate ID card reflecting military status or DD forms 214/256 reflecting honorable service make an individual eligible to participate. General consensus of Board Members is that our new Military Veteran members are both pleased to be here as shooters in their first ASSC, pleased with the reception they’ve received from AFSA as a whole, and that they would like to see as a minimum some specific position on the Board of Directors in the future. Kevin Suitt brought up returning coins for Active Duty Military awards to all guns for future shoots.  Now it is only for HOA.  Andy Ulsher said this can easily be done but the active duty military shooters would then be paying for each event awards besides the costs of HOA awards.
There being no further business to discuss, Al Means moved that the meeting be adjourned.  2nd by Steve Johnstone.  The vote was unanimous that we were done.  Meeting adjourned at 1913 hours. 

 

JOSEPH A. PIERCE
Secretary

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