Armed Forces Skeet Association

Internet Director’s Meeting Minutes

24 September – 25 October 2008

On 24 September 2008 an email was sent to all officers and directors to gain their vote on changing the site for the 2009 ASSC. The email was prompted by a letter email attachment from the Albuquerque site that said they would be charging AFSA $18.00 per hundred targets versus the $15.00 per hundred that was agreed to by the facility and presented to the membership and board of directors for vote in May 2008. This was the first known instance of a club changing the bid amount subsequent to acceptance of the bid by the board of directors. The AFSA members who presented the original bid were not parties to the change in amount to be charged AFSA, and were unable to convince city government to honor the original bid amount. Discussion between the President and the Treasurer resulted in the decision to revote the site selection for the 2009 ASSC.

The Treasurer contacted all clubs that bid for the 2009 ASSC and gained the following revised bids:

Albuquerque $18.00

Whitetail $16.00

Louisville $20.00 (Subject to change if member shooting rates increase.)

Sparta $20.00

Triple-B $27.00

On 25 September a second email was sent to all officers and directors containing the revised bids shown above and asking for a revote of the shoot location for the 2009 ASSC. The email also asked for a vote on a replacement for Fred McCue who retired from the USMC and could no longer serve as the AFSA Active USMC Director. Darron Todd was offered as Fred’s replacement director for the duration of the normal director term. Respondents were asked to have their votes to the Treasurer by email NLT 25 October 2008.

VOTES RECEIVED:

1. Selection of Darron Todd as the AFSA Active USMC Director. All respondents voted in favor. Votes were not received from Boord or Simpson. As a result of the vote Darron Todd is now the AFSA Active USMC Director effective 25 October 2008.

2. Revote of shoot site selection. 14 of the 20 votes received were for Albuquerque. 14 being a majority the shoot will be held at Albuquerque at a cost per hundred of $16.25 based on a supplementary agreement reached at the World Shoot in San Antonio between the President and representatives of the Albuquerque facility.

John Swidrak – USCG Albuquerque

Mike Brazzell – USAF Ret. Albuquerque

Buck Sifford – USAF Ret. Albuquerque

Eric Agney – USAF Albuquerque

The internet meeting was adjourned at the COB, 25 October 2008.

Clint F. Kreuser

Secretary

Armed Forces Skeet Association

Director’s Meeting Minutes

Richmond Gun Club, Richmond, VA

Wednesday, May 14, 2008

ROLL CALL:

Jim Simmons – USCG Ret.

John Swidrak – USCG

Mike Brazzell – Air Force Ret.

Mark Giese – Air Force

Meeting convened at 1952 hours, Wednesday May 14, 2008 by President Newman Shufflebarger.

Reading of minutes of 2007 Director’s Meeting waived. Pat Knutson moved to approve 2007 minutes as written and previously posted, 2^nd Dave Wood. Motion carried.

Officers Reports

Secretary Clint Kreuser. Nothing new to report.

Vice-President John Daubenschmidt. Nothing new to report. Brought up the 50^th anniversary shoot awards. Mike Brazzell, chairman of the 50^th shoot awards committee, stated that 2 members of the committee were present at this shoot and would meet to discuss ideas concerning appropriate awards. John Daubenschmidt spoke about coins, knives, pouches and various other ideas for awards. Discussion ensued with everyone present participating. No awards were settled upon but the discussion ended when everyone agreed that the awards should be something unique and not just the same awards given at each shoot.

Treasurer Pat Knutson. Brought up the treasurer’s report and the association balance sheet. Both reports were not read since all directors were sent a copy prior to the shoot. Clyde Simmons asked what the association’s net worth is. Pat replied that the net worth is approximately $59,500. Our association made money last year due to interest income. Last years’ ASSC made $140.00. Banquet prices were up this year due to the location of the dinner. Don McKown donated $350.00 to AFSA again this year. Our web site has approximately 37,000 hits.

Old Business

There was no old business to complete.

New Business

Don Root spoke about a letter the association received from NSSA concerning NSSA’s desire to drop the Zone 9 director from the Executive Committee. Long discussion ensued concerning the pro/cons of having a director on the committee or our members using their state directors for any issues that concern them. Discussion ended with everyone in agreement that the Zone 9 director was an important billet and that we should keep the seat on the executive committee in order to have input that concerns our unique membership. It was agreed that the AFSA President should attend the executive committee meetings as the Zone 9 Director or appoint an AFSA member to attend the meetings in his absence. It was mentioned that our association by-laws to not automatically make the AFSA president the Zone 9 director so a motion was required. Pat Knutson made a motion to appoint the AFSA president as the Zone 9 director with the authority to appoint an AFSA member to attend the required meetings in his absence. Fred McCue 2^nd. Motion carried by unanimous vote.

Cotton Talbot made a motion to permanently create an AFSA Historian position. Frank Potts 2^nd. Pat Knutson stated that a General Membership meeting must be held to vote on any by-laws amendment for the creation of a billet. Motion was withdrawn after discussion followed and a decision was agreed to that the position would not be a voting position and therefore the AFSA president could just appoint an historian. Mike Brazzell volunteered and was appointed as the AFSA Historian.

Andy Ulsher discussed the difference between the NSSA and the AFSA HOA classification table. Pat Knutson explained that we have a different classification table in order to balance out the number of shooters in each class for HOA. All of our classification tables are periodically updated.

Andy Ulsher discussed whether or not ROTC cadets and service academy cadets could shoot on inter-service teams as active duty members. Andy Ulsher made a motion to include them as active duty members. Jim Simmons 2^nd. A lengthy discussion ensued concerning their legal status. It was pointed out that only 3^rd year ROTC and Academy cadets as well as 4-year scholarship cadets have a military obligation and therefore are considered active duty.

Discussion continued after it was mentioned what the board voted on and passed in 2004 concerning what NSSA and AFSA would consider ‘active duty’. Pat Knutson clarified the AFSA by-laws and our shoot program as to whether they could shoot on an inter-service team simply because the shoot was open to them. Andy Ulsher withdrew the motion. Directors agree to discuss the matter further and postpone any vote on the matter.

Pat Knutson discussed and made a motion about cashing in the association bond and reinvesting the proceeds into something that will yield a higher return. Dave Wood 2^nd. Motion passed.

Dave Woods made a motion to vote on next years’ shoot location. Clyde Simmons 2^nd. Roll Call vote followed with the result being Albuquerque 18, Sparta 1, Whitetail Ridge 0, Louisville 0, and Los Angeles 0.

Individual Director’s name and the site they voted for follows:

Kreuser – Albuquerque

Shullflebarger - Albuquerque

Frank Potts made a motion to adjourn the meeting. Dave Wood 2^nd. All agreed. Meeting adjourned at 2115.

Clint F. Kreuser

Secretary